What have we seen with the new Dean in 2013 ASC AGM? Don’t you think he is also another instrument
used by BAV? This sign is revealed clearer in ASC most recent AGM. Who
designed the voting to be upfront before accepting all the reports so that
everyone can vote? Was it not by the
Dean? Was getting everyone’s vote a bad idea at all? It is certainly very
convincing. As usual, this is one of BAV’s
old tricks. The PCC had warned the chair there was legality issue to dissolve them
before they report. Why was this idea so desperately carried through?
Now we know BAV’s desperate game plan with the purpose of getting
everyone's vote was to win especially through those innocent minds mostly the BM
congregations were ignorant to know who they were voting and what they were
doing. Shameful to know some
pastors and priests who had started to campaign
weeks before the AGM to exploit these innocent BM people to vote against people who are not of BAV’s choice.
Do these pastors and priests know what they are doing? Are they
follower of Jesus Christ or BAV? Do they know the difference between good and
evil? Do they know the difference between the truth and
the lies? Who is dividing the church because of power and money? What has our church become now? Are we lead by a den of robbers and thieves or
people who are fervent to serve God and the people?
Why then the BM voters so obedient to vote according to their pastors’
and priests’ choice? Their simplistic answers were to follow the instructions of
their cell leader, pastors and priest. They have no ideas who were the candidates,
who can do a good job and what the church is up to. All they know is they get
well treated all the time with meals and transports to attend events like this.
Is this not the sin of selfishness of these leaders in white robes exploited
the situation just to win for the sake of winning to gain control and power?
Why were the candidates of the priests and pastors’ choices placed
upfront? Photos of the BM and new Chinese warden and PCC members were arranged prominently and conspicuously first in the
line-up for
selection among other existing candidates. Why? What
was the message then? Is this what we
call good change to have people of the priests' choice to dominate the council? Are we not
seeing BAV having an upper hand to put a new Dean to stir the Chinese
congregations in the council as puppets?
Do we have confidence in the members of the new council?
Why was a resigned
priest standing in for nomination being questioned repeatedly and deliberately
whether he is still a priest? Why were
the independence and good conduct of other nominees not questioned instead? Do you know at least 4 new elected members into the council now are
parties related to the Dean and the Bishop? Do we still have the confidence in them?
Why is BAV so engrossed to the affairs of ASC’s AGM despite he was instructed by the HOB to go
on sabbatical leave? Were you aware he has been monitoring the situation of the
AGM remotely with the presence of his wife giving him constant live update? Who is playing God? Do we continue to let BAV (the devil) be God
or let God be God? Can we honour God’s
name if the devil is playing God?
Is it not evil power continue to dominate the church leaders into darkness? Why are the church leaders so reluctant to walk in the light? But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin. 1 John 1:7. Good Friday reminds us the price Jesus had paid on the cross.
Is it not evil power continue to dominate the church leaders into darkness? Why are the church leaders so reluctant to walk in the light? But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin. 1 John 1:7. Good Friday reminds us the price Jesus had paid on the cross.
Blog master,good to see you back after so many months.From your comments,I can see you are very frustrated and so are we. JK is promised to be given an appointment with the Dean and PCCs and he has all the questions ready,but will he be given a true picture of ASC etc has yet to be seen.I am not optimistic!
ReplyDeleteThis is the email after Dean Chak told me that the Secretary would write to me.
ReplyDeleteSo I want to see them in a team, and anyone want to go with me if the appointment
comes through possibly next week. Joshua
Mary Gambidau
Mar 23 (7 days ago)
to me, pastorchak, James
Dear Mr. Joshua,
I have received the motions and the four batches of questions. On behalf of the PCC I would like to extend our appreciations for your concern towards our church.
However, we are unable to table your motions to the AGM due to it It was received late. It was late in a sense that the completed set (with the seconder) was only received after the closing date 17 march 2012. In regards with the four batches of questions, the PCC decided not answer it during the AGM due to time constraint.
In a spirit of brotherhood in Christ, we would like to see you in person after the AGM for us to explain and give answers to your questions. You can set the date and time for us to meet. Please let me know if you have other suggestions. You can also contact me through my mobile phone 0198231XXX.
Thank you and God bless us all
PCC Secretary.
Rev.Chak order PCC for meet up 3 days after he go holiday. It was suggest baptism card also can be used like identity card of the candidate.
ReplyDeleteThe PCC says they disagree the use of baptism card but on the day to vote Rev. Chak still announce the use of baptism card is ok.
We saw Mr. Wilson Rantau bring the BM people with baptism cards, passed the queue into the hall. What is that mean? Not confirmed members also in the electoral? Anything pun "boleh"bah with BAV's always want to win. BAv doesn't change yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Anybody know what happened when ballot paper is reproduced half way voting? Why ? and how? I think this is planned. Only the priest and pastors know.
People without ICs mean that they are not local and will go back to their countries after their work pass expired,therefore they were there to vote just to get the majority of votes for the PCCs that they were told to vote in advance! Where was the transparency? Wasn't it the same thing happened over and over again? Can Dean Chak explain about this,people with baptism papers could vote? These people did not care about what is happening in ASC once they went home to their countries.Some even said 'God sent them to vote'! What a lie these outside people could tell!! With AV in the background,what can Dean Chak do,can he reform? Can he be neutral? Can he tell his boss to 'go to hell' don't interfere with my job!? With the bishop commissary already 'playing god' what chance have the members got?
ReplyDeleteYou are right. People without IC can be recognised as full member of the church even with voting rights, what will this lead us to? With this kind of BAV sick leadership surely will rot the church further.
DeleteThese innocent people know nothing but only being used by BAV's for his own agenda.
Before their work pass expire and go back to their countries, they already don't care what they are doing. This political scene is worse than the BN and it is all created because of one man, BAV never want to lose.
Do we call this the will of God? The blog master is right, I think the devil is playing God. The devil is BAV.
The church leaders went around slandering those candidates who are bold to speak the truth and went around to influence all the innocent and the youth group not to vote those who are vocal. By this act they have already walked outside the covering of God, how can you say all these AGM results is the will of GOd? The church is in a spiritual decay and it will rot in the hands of the devil.
Why is so difficult to surface the truth? Getting rid of people who speaks boldly is to get rid of the truth.
ASC AGM perceived to give transparency but it was all planned to wipe anti BAV out.
ReplyDeleteChak told the old PCC to defer whatever decision to the new PCC. Hasn't he indicated he knew there will be new team? Why suddenly all the spouses and family member of the staff wants to be in the PCC? They must be some higher level of influence.
It is a joke the spouse of a staff who has been tight lip for the past 2 years in the PCC, absent in PCC meetings when major decisions were required, still this round he is in again. Where is our confidence in them?
How can a 'FOX avcf be tasked to look after the chicken?
ReplyDeleteSomeone posted that the Deanery was almost empty when the illegal occupants of more than 6 years left on 6th December, 2012.
AVCF and his gang of foxy people would cry "LIES" in the blog.
The thieves would counter no such things.
So how can those expenditure for the purchases of so much equipment and furniture worth a few hundred thousands Ringgit since the Deanery was first occupied in April 2000 be accounted for.
I was at the house warming of the Deanery in April, 2000 and it was very well furnished.
When Dean Ko left the deanery at short notice and at heavy rain at midnight, he could only take his personal belonging. My friend was the one who brought the lorry to help Dean Ko.
So Dean Ko left plenty of things in the Deanery.
Of course the AVCF occupied it for a few months in 2006 while the Bishop lodge under went massive renovation worth up to RM1m which is again not substantiated by documents. So I presume at the Bishop lodge, no inventory was made. Could most the expensive household things be also gone as reported in the blog? AVCF, please show us the records.
So it is no longer hearsay that the Deanery was almost empty on and after 6th December, 2012.
It was confirmed at the ASC AGM 2013 on 24th March, 2013 at about 5pm by Dr James Chhoa - the people warden that no inventory of the Deanery was kept. The Hon Treasurer Rosalind Liew also confirmed that ASC bought some minimum furniture for the new Dean who moved into the Deanery in January, 2013.
All is not lost as far as records are concerned as all expenditure since 2006 can be traced to the annual accounts of ASC. I hope the new Treasurer can come up with the details of not only the Deanery but the whole ASC.
The very question now is who should be held responsible for the "theft" of the Deanery's items which could be substantial. Should the Dean's warden lodge a Police Report?
Whatever happen should not the acting Dean be held responsible for proper custody of all assets of the ASC? Since Rev Yong Thiam Choy - the Rector always claimed he is delegated by the acting Dean in all duties, then the Rector should also be held jointly responsible for the assets of ASC especially the missing items in the Deanery. No running away from God's wrath.
Can we hold the illegal occupants Pastor Stella Lo and "Rev' Philip Lo also responsible for the "theft" of the Deanery items? This is an undeniable FACT.
Can the members of the PCC do something now albeit a bit late but someone must have witnessed the items being carted away to face the wrath of God if not owned up? Don't just warm the chairs at the PCC meetings to allow such "theft" in our midst!!!
Were the removal of the Deanery's items permitted by the acting Dean who call himself Dean and allowed the illegal people to stay in Deanery now desecrated. How can the new Dean find peace now?
If all else fail, can concerned members do something about this mighty "theft" of God's property to avoid the wrath of God hence BISHOPGATE is no where near to be resolved since Oct 2011 even after the Facilitator Bishop Moses Tay and Commissary Rev Herbert Tong (Anglican???) deemed to be impotent?
The fact that no inventory was kept already place the acting Dean of 7 years as an unfit person (no question about that) to be Bishop to care for the church and ADOS. This is just one items of many for confession by AVCF for a proper resolution of BISHOPGATE.
ADOS has more than RM2billions worth of assets under the 'FOX' cum 'trojan horse' and his gang of cronies well known to all amongst the church circles and communities at large.
Joshua Y. C. Kong
6013-8394513
http://bishopgateinanglicansabah.blogspot.com/2013/04/how-can-fox-avcf-be-tasked-to-look.html
I hope the present PCCs will persevere to find out why the deanery was left empty when the Los left.Where have all the furniture gone to? Don't just sit there and warm your chairs! All the outspoken ones have been got rid off and that is what AV wants.Do you know your duties as PCCs? Do you want to let AV control you like he did with the old batch and being told let's settle this among ourselves and don't let it be settled in public letting your church's shame be known to all! Is this the right way,continue to do wrong and just sweep it under the carpet? Don't bring our own brothers and sisters in Christ to let a heathen judge etc,etc in court to settle our problems but then the highest supposed to be God fearing one is helpless and not willing to do anything? God help ASC or it will be finished!!!! Those with baptism certificates voted you in to get the majority and what did these voters know? Do they care that the deanery was empty? Do they care because of their votes they are creating problems such as unrest,distrust in the clergies,no transparency,no accountability and credibility in the church anymore? They only followed blindly to the wrong advice by their spiritual leaders and how sad,these are innocent and ignorant people and they were being exploited many times and still don't know why!They are always treated well when their services are needed!! Very sad indeed!
ReplyDeleteI was one of the Detectives during the recent AGM, most BM parishioners who attended the recent AGM were not a regular to any of the Sunday services.
DeleteI interviewed a few BM women,I was told it was their first time to ASC and asked further and was told God sent them to the Cathedral for the AGM.
Secondly, it was discussed in the PCC a comfirmation certificate should be produced for a ballot paper to be issued and why was it changed in the last minutes that baptism certificate can also be used ?
Third, why only give free meal to BM congregation and who paid for the hiring of a stage bus to ferry all these BM congregation to the AGM ?
Last, why did some of the Pastors actively went round telling which candidates to vote for ? Did Pastor Susan Tan not done so & so does most of the BM Clergy & BM Warden ?.
Not only Pastor Susan, Pastor Flora Chong also went around to tell people in her prayer group and told the ASC staff not to vote certain people as she has mentioned their names.
DeleteAlamak! ( a new word learned from the pulpit recently from HT, the commisory) Why pastors doing all these? What are your pastoral duties? Shame on you lah! Even the sheep do not do that sort of thing!
I have an observation. Did you all notice it was done deliberately the 7.30am people names not in the electoral were not informed the Sunday before was the last to make applications? Neither forms were available. See? all these were the little tricks they discourage you to be able to vote and they desperately promoted all other congregations especially the BM membership.
These are the actions losers will do. Why BAV die hard supporters will do these to make sure anti BAV are all die out?
If HT is paid RM 7000 monthly as revealed in the truth blog,who gave the approval? If he draws this sum every month,then what is AV drawing?Common sense will tell us AV's salary will be much more than HT's. Many of us don't even have that income every month and yet pestered to give 10% otherwise not blessed,and robbing God!!! Is this the right doctrine dishing out to the congregations?
ReplyDeleteActuallty Bishop and Anglican Diocese of Sabah are robbing God through the churches who receive the tithes and donations from parishioners/congregations when ADOS is not a church in contradiction of Malachi 3.
DeleteMalachi 3 talks of the church as the storehouse hence we need to move this motion in an EGM very soon -- as this failed to get in time for ASC AGM 2013
Motion 3
We call for a full review of the Diocesan Assessment for All Saints Cathedral in the context of Biblical interpretation and administrative justice for God as money or tithe collected by ASC to be largely retained in ASC and the Diocesan Assessment in the transition be capped at RM500,000 per year to the Diocese of Sabah which is not a church. Diocese of Sabah would be under a new structure and constitution after the transition.
1. Diocese Assessment should not be there as it is NOT business of any church to pay any taxes or dues to any one. You think the church itself cannot manage its own affairs like there are so many independent churches self financing.
2. In the transition towards the total abolition of the Diocese Assessment, it is best to cap the ‘assessment’ or contribution to the Diocese at RM500,000 a year for ASC.
3. I believe if we cap it at RM500,000 for the transistion for the revamp of ADOS and the PCC manages ASC well financially, the tithes and donation could more than double in two years from now.
4. As the churches are the storehouse of God’s money, all the churches in Kota Kinabalu with ASC as the mother church should form a working committee with fair and proper representation to reap more harvest for God.
5. With regional zones based on the localities in Sabah, the Synod could be more effective as a channel in the mission field rather than what we observed in Synod 2012. Unity for common purpose is better than the fragmentation of the illegal Synod 2012 which even approved a very much questioned Financial accounts with misappropriation of over ten million Ringgit.
6. The shortcomings in ADOS are mainly due to the structure of ADOS vis-à-vis churches within the set up.
7. Under ASC Constitution Article XI Finance subclause 6 –The Council may seek discussion with the Bishop on the matter of Parish assessment.
7.1 Does the Constitution of ADOS mention Diocese Assessment? If not, where is the authority?
7.2 It does not sound right when the receiver of money can dictate terms to the givers especially when it is God’s money to be handle properly.
7.3 It is further mindless that the receiver of God’s money can tell what the givers have to do like the power of prerogative.
7.4 Should we now not address the curse of ADOS or the Bishop of Sabah in this very basic and fundamental matter as the best wine is last to emerge.
8. ASC being the mother church has contributed much more to the Diocese of Sabah unrecorded.
9. ADOS is not properly managed financially. According Malachi 3, ADOS/Bishop are robbing God.
10. The purpose of tithes and donations in church and usage thereof has been totally distorted by the ADOS as a management body. Hence a full review is desirable.
It is true AV is getting 5 figures salaries. Now you know why hubby & wife fighting for leg and tooth to stay in their position. Do you think they are to serve you & I in the spiritual aspect? It's all about power and fattening of their own pockets.
DeleteWhy are they so desperately using their cronies to wipe off those who are outspoken? If a person is having a servant heart, they will not fight like AV & wife. They are just blinded with money.
If it is true HT is getting RM7k, then we have to ask Micheal Tong why he still sign the cheque without the approval of the standing com? Do you know Micheal Tong and HT are cousins? After all DOS is cash rich, why do MT wants to make noise? HT is only there for 6 months. See? People never see conflict of interest as an issue in our church structure. How sad!
Is HT worth anything in ADOS? Is he still an Anglican? What would happen to HT after the 6 months are up?
DeleteDid anyone heard his sermon in ASC on resurrection last Sunday 7 April, 2013?
Did HT interprete his own understanding of the verses in the Bible?
Why should he mention about "FIGHT" when we are joined together with God as this word cannot be in the verses? Any justification here?
So was the sermon enriching at all spiritually?
Just searching some verification and opinions.
What chance have the members got when they are surrounded by AV's cronies,the staff of the office ,PCC and the majority of the young clergies.Now the outspoken ones were all wiped out in the recent election due to manipulations of you all know who! The post of HT should be debated before he was chosen and from nowhere his post was announced! We could not blame AV also because HOB gave him the prerogative to choose his own bishop commissary without any clause to say that it must have the approval of all members!.HT is now the 'watch man' for AV.It is so sad,HOB has the power to 'clean' up the church but isn't going to do it.They rather let members go wandering away to let one of their own kind create unrest in the church.Money still keep flowing even more now,have another 'invisible' person with high salary to 'feed' 6 months/12months depending on when AV wants to come back! Still let him have a free hand to do what he wants.
DeleteA little bird told me that the church is not improving inspite of the fact that there is a facilitator and a bishop commissary.A bishop commissary is paid RM7000 for what? A long boring sermon given by HT makes them go to sleep and they could not wait for it to end because they did not understand what he preached and for that,he also was given 'a love gift' in the form of cash- RM200 inspite of being paid a salary! Could anyone correct me if this is not true? A thousand apologies if I am wrongly informed!
ReplyDeleteHow can AVCF be speaking when in forced Sabbatical leave? Who pays for his trip to Canada?
ReplyDeletePlease don't let him mislead others as what he speaks are not truth as too many lies already exposed like the numbers of members etc....
http://goodshepherdchurch.no-ip.org/Calendar/tabid/68/ModuleID/400/ItemID/1610/mctl/EventDetails/Default.aspx
2013.4.21 Combined Service @ 11 AM
We had invited Bishop Albert Vun to share God’s word with us on April 21. Bishop Albert is from the Diocese of Sabah, Malaysia and he is also a renowned cell group architect. Both English and Chinese congregations will join together to hold a Eucharist service. Please remember to attend!
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteI over heard a outspoken observer in the recent AGM told off HT by calling some 7.30am parishioners as " trouble makers ".
HT denied having said and my questions to HT, did you not said the
followings infront of almost 50 ppl during the 3rd. day of CNY ?
1/. Priests don't have to be poor ?
2/. BAV did not take a single cent ?
3/. Why make an issue of buying the second condo in Bangkok, when
the first condo was a non issue ?
Over to you HT.
Is it time for an alternative Anglican Church in Sabah? One that preserve the rich and biblical tradition handed down by our forefathers, one that is led by priest who have a vocational calling rather than mere 9 to 5 employees, one that seek to serve the poor, set free the captives and use God's money for God's purpose and glory, one that seek to plant many small size churches of 250 to 500 members, one that seek to unite the church in celebration of our salvation in pot-bless fellowship and bible study, one that the children and youth ministry focus on Christian values rather than only on fun and the latest trend and hype, one that transparent, accountable and responsible in governance, one that cater to the specific needs of the men, women, and seniors, one where the focus of the worship services is on God rather than the "performances". Let the alternative Anglican Church recapture what it means to be Church for the past 2000 years instead of the "modern" distraction of the past few decades.
ReplyDeleteThe Church has survived the past 2000 years of wars, economic turbulence, devastating diseases, tumultuous political scenes, natural disasters, modern culture and social developments. Why should it now succumb to the "Mega" and "Dominion" trend of the past few decades that emphasizes on so call "anointed personality", "performance", "market forces" and "professionalism".
Many will see that going for an alternative Anglican Church is to admit defeat, or to allow the tyrant to continue with his hegemony, or why should we leave when we are not the one at fault. These are all true and valid reasons. However, we can also see it as a victory. In the New Testament, Jesus' victory over sin and death is through defeat on the cross, it is through loosing ones life that we gain it back, it is when we are weak that we are strong, it is when we are poor that we are rich and it is in humility that we gain God's favor and victory.
After all that we have done in trying to help bav not to destroy himself by going against God's will, and all our appeal to PHoB to help him and ADOS has fallen on deaf ear, its time the responsibility for ADOS and their own blood be returned on their own head. Why should our lives, our worship, our joy, our peace and God's will and purpose for our lives be distracted and obstructed by them? The time and energy spent on this crisis is becoming sinful because of the far greater good and far more fruitful things that can be done for others and even for ourselves.
What are we afraid of anywhere? If we are united and committed, and the Lord's favor will be upon us because we seek His face, there is nothing that we cannot accomplish. Within a few months, we can secure our own cemetery, within a year we can have pieces of land for planting churches, within the first month we can begin to help the poor and needy and within the next five years we will have churches in all major towns of Sabah and parts of the interior. By then, if ADOS is still on the same path, it will be in decline and at the verge of bankruptcy.
Jesus said, "Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth". Meekness is not weakness but the willingness to let go and let God be the bringer of victory and success, and the humility to let God be the avenger. I would encourage us to pray and discern....when the call goes out, respond by faith and see the victory of God.
Yes, we agree 100% what have been written by Anonymous on the 12th April 2013. 22:10. it is time for us to form an alternative Anglican Church in Sabah, just like the breakaway AMIA of America. We have nothing to lose and every to gain if we start now. Three of our past priests have left the Anglican Church and is doing very well with their independent Church. Though we have contributed much to the ADOS and because of our outdated constitutions which gave all the power to a money crazy, Arrogant, Extravagant, Liar and a thief’s bishop (BAV) to do what he likes and we cannot touch him, because of the useless Chancellor, the house of clergy and the house of laity who supported him blindly. Since they have made him their god and believe that he is innocent. What is the point for us to stay and to see him destroy everything’s our forefather and we have built. We can build up another Anglican Church that our forefather and we have built for everyone to find peace and joy to worship God. We have so many past righteous bishops, priests, pastors and Church’s workers, professionals and well to do Anglicans to assist us in our formation of an Alternative Anglican Church. We have wasted enough precious time, so let us start by praying and to start a pro-tem committee headed by some of the 5+10 members, plus those mentioned above. We already have over thousand members ready to move over. If those in AMIA can do it so can we and If God is with us who can go against us.
ReplyDeleteTo beloved Anglican & Anonymous,
DeleteForming an alternative Anglican Church in Sabah should NOT be in the drawing board.
Why should we, if we called ourselves " beloved Anglicans " & yet make suggestion to form an alternative Anglican Church ?
I found Dean Chak yesterday sermon was very good, refreshing & applicable to all in ASC.
Do we want to remain like Egypt ?
BAV at most has another good 7 years remaining & we will have to PUSH, PUSH & PUSH that John Yeo will never be next the next Bishop of Sabah in 2020.
Amen.
If JY is the next bishop,you bet ,a lot of things will be exposed!
Deletewhy wait for JY to be next bishop? why not now expose all those deals in SPC for 15 years?
DeleteI think nobody can stop anybody or any group of ex Anglicans to start any Church but how to link it to Anglican global ?
ReplyDeleteIf only we know the reasons why the actions have not proceeded as we expect, then it is important that we stay on with ASC and ADOS to STOP the total destruction by the GREED of AVCF and his gang.
If only we know his modus operandi against most members and beneficiaries as ADOS is for all not AVCF and his gang, then we will know why AVCF - "shi shi e jui". AVCF wants to suck more ...
So we cannot forget about the past as Dean said on Sunday 14th April, 2013 in his sermon and move on in the promised land. We need to settle what had happened in the polluted land of AVCF to right all the wrongs of AVCF. Dean also reminded that only two went into the promised land in the Bible and how come in ASC has entered the 'promised land'
Totally agreed with the above. Having an alternative service somewhere first while waiting for the church crisis to be solved if ever it will be solved! Reading the Calvary church news make us realise it will be a long,long battle against AV if the HOB does not step in.
ReplyDeleteNews leaked out that he and his wife will be flying to Canada on first class tickets-if true,then you can see AV has not changed a bit.He is using his sabbatical leave to fly here and there at the expense of the members!You give he enjoys!! Enough is enough lah,we want CHANGE!
Has HT offered to meet with the sheep to hear about their complaints? For getting a RM 7000 job,what are his duties? Now he is beginning to tell half truths just like AV.Own up bishop commissary,if you did say say what you did say! If AV did not take a single cent,how come he is using the church's money flying here and there?He is still getting full pay,benefits etc.. and another RM 7000 to HT to 'jaga the church documents etc...' How come,AV has a million ringgit house in Sulaman fully paid up,we heard! Can HT clarify this? Maybe the Vuns saved this money up while they were still kids!!!!
ReplyDeleteWe should not leave. Bav should leave. The will of God is for the church to go through cleansing specially the bishop and his cronies and more will be exposed. This is what The Lord has revealed.More will be exposed! How? We don't know and God will show the way. He is the way, the truth and the life.
ReplyDeleteFriends from overseas wrote and are very surprised that after more than 2 years,still nothing definite done.They praised the HOB at first fast in taking actions but what happened? AV is still around giving orders using remote control even though he is on sabbatical leave and he said he would be BACK after 6 months!! The sheep are still grumbling,complaining and labelled as 'trouble makers' They said Anglicans in SEA asked for independence from the church of England and they must have proved that they were capable in all matters ,that was why independence was given.If this crisis is not taken up by HOB by getting AV to be tried by E.Court after being found guilty of 38 out of 40 charges,then what will the Church of England say and think? HOB not capable or not willing to solve the crisis? Looks like they cannot 'control' AV. This matter had been brought up in the Conger Paper about our corrupt bishop for the whole world to see.Other corrupt bishops in other parts of the world were sacked and why HOB dare not do this?
ReplyDeleteTo Anonymous 14th April 2013 16:25. We would have agreed with you before the last AGM. Seven years is quite a long time, many things can happen. 1. ADOS may go bankrupt. 2. There is no guarantee that BAV will not continue to spend extravagantly. 3. There is no guarantee that BAV will not continue to steal and lie. 4. With all the yes men clergy, laity and a useless chancellor, BAV can make any changes he likes. 5. There is no guarantee that BAV will not take ADOS out of the APSEA especially now with all the yes men mentioned above. 6. There is no guarantee that BAV and his successor will not turn Anglican into something else i.e. not Anglican. As long as the constitution is not amended and all lope holes plugged, any bishop still can do what he likes and the final say to any constitutional changes still rest with the bishop. The other way that can cripple the power of the bishop is the HOB, which is another useless, boneless and un-Godly, good for nothing structure. That sees nothing, hear nothing and say nothing because they are the gang of four, with communal ideology and not Christian’s ideology. They call themselves APSEA. But in reality they are independent of each other. The Arch-Bishop is only a figure head and a lamb duck. The idea of starting an Alternative Anglican Church is to preserve our Anglicanism which is fast disappearing and what is the point of staying if there is nothing we can do to amend the constitutions. Say what you like, head they win tail you lose. The other alternative is don’t tithe but how many will understand why we do not have to tithe. Jesus Christ and the Apostles never tithe and we are followers of Jesus Christ. Yes, we need to give to the poor, the widows, the orphans and the disable and to missionary works this we should never stop. Jesus said it is more blessed to give than to receive but He never said it is more blessed to tithe. Of course in this modern age and with God’s love and compassion we should also contribute to the maintenance of our Churches and those administer over it. But it is a different case when there are those who abuses the giving and steal from it. In this way it is right for us to stop giving and give to those that needed it most.
ReplyDeleteWe do not have to leave. We can have another group for true fellowship and listen to unbiased sermons while still go to our usual Sun worship at our respective churches. One can only survive this far without proper spiritual food.
ReplyDeleteI just cannot think that the HOB consisted of high calibre bishops can leave things half done! Why spent so much trouble, time and money to investigate and then FULL STOP! Don't they believe in the PAC report? The worst part is to 'command' the 5 complainants not to reveal what AV was found guilty of whereas AV could go around spreading lies about the 5 of them! Have you all noticed that now church activities are either held in Tawau or Telupid announced in the Sabah Anglican Bulletin?
ReplyDeleteThere are plenty of views in this blog and the other blog thetruthasc but what do we think this can achieve to remove AVCF as bishop?
ReplyDeleteWe need to come out and be identified like a front line warrior to deal with the 'enemy' and his gang who are deemed to be the 'trojan horse' soon to destroy ADOS and ASC.
So what are we waiting for?
Would God be really happy with our many postings here only as NATO?
I am still waiting for the audience with Dean Chak as promised prior to AGM ASC.
ReplyDeleteTill now on 19 April, 2013 almost a month later, there is no news of that going to take place.
If the sudience is not genuine, then it is a sure confirmation that AVCF is behind/involved everything criminal in ADOS and ASC.
Doom to ADOS and ASC soon to unfold and so be prepared for that...
AVCF is definitely in charge of all things Anglican even in his forced Sabbatical leave.
ReplyDeleteHis foot prints are everywhere..
Last week Dean Chak preached that we forget everything in the polluted land and move on in the promised land. My firends, the ADOS and ASC is still very polluted beyond recognition.
Now the prayer during the service spend so much time and effort to pray for ASC without knowing the consequences of evil deeds of AVCF.
It is not about ASC only but ADOS and beyond to the Province of South East Asia which is also very much polluted. How can we ask God that members in ASC forget the past?
The rubbish and sin are piling up to heaven.
Many are still in the dark that we may lose ASC and ADOS because of the modus operandi of the "Trojan Horse" and his gang.
Why is something happening on the land title of the ASC?
We need to clean up the very messy things after AVCF and his gang leave the Anglican church now.
Why can't Dean Chak give an answer to JK for the delay regarding meeting him to answer all his questions? This clearly shows beyond doubt that AV is against it. Whether AV agrees or against,Dean Chak should at least give a reply to JK why it takes more than a month and still no reply? Is this the way to deal with matters? Many people heard him at the AGM assuring JK that his questions could not be dealt with because it was time consuming but would do so in an extra meeting with him.
ReplyDeleteWhat a great shame to see our priests in the Daily Express receiving gifts from a corrupt government one that needs to be changed! So folks,this is what is happening in our church, young clergies,staff ... accepting gifts from AV at the expense of church money.How can they preach on corruptions when they themselves fall onto it!
ReplyDeleteSomeone from BM challenged me on racism in my blog
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Confirmed by exposed emails of CSF that AVCF is fully involved with the ASC AGM and go to thetruthasc.wordpress.com
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